Curse

Gun Pierson · Dec 03, 2006, 07:04 PM // 19:04

As I was working on other titles lately, I finished NF with just rank (1). Now I realise they might come in handy to do the DOA area. So I started to farm points the normal way.

I'm stunished though that people judge other people for using a way that's different from the way it was ment to be by Anet. It's Anet their problem, they created it and they solved it. It's not people's fault they can use a trick to bypass stuff. Exploits get discovered, Anet finds out about them, exploit gets nerfed, it's a way to improve the game. They should thank people that find exploits, not ban them. They're good playtesters.

I was too late to use this trick, a shame for me, but that's the way it is.

electrofish · Dec 03, 2006, 07:26 PM // 19:26

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Originally Posted by Shanaeri Rynale

Still playing devils advocate

9 Rings does give an in game effect. It counts towards Kobd and effects the economy(gold sink). After all who is a pug going to choose, someone with a kobd or not?

You have to understand that the LB title is very different from rest of the titles available in game.
Until I see people spamming "GLF Kobd players for mission" or "DoA group must have Kobd" I don't think the above argument is valid, as the title is til now only a title and nothing more. Even the other two functionable titles, namely wisdom + treasure hunter, don't add additional benifit to a group while LB does.

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Originally Posted by Shanaeri Rynale

Lutgardis FF runs, where 7 plays stay still and an 8th runs the quest and all 8 get the reward has an in game effect also. Not only does it contribute towards a title but it gives XP and money. Loads of alliances were doing the FF run at the peak of factions.

In regards to FF I do believe it to be an exploit, though I'm reluctant to see it go as it IS the fastest way to let you proceed through game. The restrictions of the befriending XXX quests made it a compulsary grind which the exploit help to ease a bit (I consider the sunspear points for foreign charachters a grind too, thank god they got rid of it).
LB in the other hand however is different, the restrictions are not put on you by the game itself but by PuGs. Our guild group completed the first quest in DoA and most of the party members only got r2 LB, so it is not compulsary.

I guess what I want to say here is that if an exploit is found for a grind that is caused by the restriction of the game itself then let us use the exploit or better lose the restriction alltogether; If the exploit is related to the restrictions that's placed upon by the other players (also known as discriminations whether it's LB rank, HA rank and even to some extent player's profession) then fix it.

sindex · Dec 03, 2006, 07:33 PM // 19:33

All I have to say about this, to the original poster. Is that there are other exploits A-net has the least amount of info about. It's all about perspective; find another way to do so. I guess I’m going to do it the less of the most easy way to get it, but I rather be honest and work for it.; then to later deal with any guilt in exploiting a weakness in design.

Eclair · Dec 03, 2006, 07:36 PM // 19:36

None of the groups I've gotten into asked for Lightbringer rank.

I formed a group that beat city last night, and I didn't ask for lightbringer rank.

If the group is asking for R6+ only, chances are, you're probably better off not being with them =P

Shanaeri Rynale · Dec 03, 2006, 07:48 PM // 19:48

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Originally Posted by electrofish

You have to understand that the LB title is very different from rest of the titles available in game.
Until I see people spamming "GLF Kobd players for mission" or "DoA group must have Kobd" I don't think the above argument is valid, as the title is til now only a title and nothing more. Even the other two functionable titles, namely wisdom + treasure hunter, don't add additional benifit to a group while LB does.

The view was'nt limited to the DoA, but in general. If you want to pick a random who are you going to pick. One with Kobd or one with say sunspear general?

And as for using the FF run to get by a game mechanic is'nt that worse? Dunno

As noted above I'm really not sure what to think on it. I think it's a grey area. On the one hand the player did very little to earn it, on the other there are other examples still n the game where the same can be said.

The easiest way now to deal with it is to increase LB rank to 9 with 100K and since the AFK way is now closed AFK'ers would need to get it the more traditional way..

Tickle · Dec 03, 2006, 08:17 PM // 20:17

r7 LB here and I can say that every bit of that was genuine (I grinded it out and it bored the shit outta me) and it infuriates me to see shallow minded ppl saying that anything past r6 used the exploit or others saying rollback the servers..
These sort of asinine remarks just makes this statement all the more plurable..
Ppl should have licenses to breed.

Nanood · Dec 03, 2006, 08:28 PM // 20:28

Personally I have never been affected by someone elses LB title and I could care less whatever there title was..

Like so many other whinges about who got what and how they got it all I can say is who cares.. It doesn't matter. Play the game and enjoy your game and give a little less of your valuable time worrying over what other people do.

Carth` · Dec 04, 2006, 12:02 PM // 12:02

You CAN still get the Lightbringer titles though, so I don't see it as a problem. I think it is worse that any character created before titles were introduced can't get Survivor because they didn't know about it. Survivor isn't hard to get, it is just a measure of whether a character was created before or after the title existed. All my new characters are Survivors, but my oldest and most loved character can never get it.

Ninna · Dec 04, 2006, 12:20 PM // 12:20

Lightbringer status has never been an issue for me

people care more about what Class / build you are than titles or LBG

Antheus · Dec 04, 2006, 01:01 PM // 13:01

Vent/TS > LB rank.

PUG + "R6 only" = disaster

These are the general observations I've made.

Mr_T_bot · Dec 04, 2006, 01:14 PM // 13:14

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Originally Posted by Ninna

Lightbringer status has never been an issue for me

people care more about what Class / build you are than titles or LBG

Hahahahahahaha

I havn't even gotten to the area and I know that's a load of crap. How new are you to the game? This kind of crap has been going on since before it was released because of what is now the "Hero" title.

Cyan The Archer · Dec 04, 2006, 01:22 PM // 13:22

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Originally Posted by electrofish

Until I see people spamming "GLF Kobd players for mission" or "DoA group must have Kobd" I don't think the above argument is valid, as the title is til now only a title and nothing more. Even the other two functionable titles, namely wisdom + treasure hunter, don't add additional benifit to a group while LB does.

I have yet to see any groups spamming GLF LB r6+. Except for a few which equals to the amount i have seen spamming for other titles.

DoA is so hard that people dont give a --- about your LB rank, and only cares about your class and build. Even classes arent being discriminated much, because so far there are no working build for PUGs.

GranDeWun · Dec 04, 2006, 01:26 PM // 13:26

Just to beat a dead horse:
As a programmer, I would say an 'exploit' involves code that does unexpected things, versus a design that does unexpected things. For example, if someone had discovered that holding the Shift+Alt+Tilde key while killing Torments gave you 1000 LB points each, that would be a clear exploit. But farming the ressurrecting Torments, whether AFK or not, was never an 'exploit'. (And by the way, was it being AFK that made it bad? What if you sat there the whole time?) If ANet thinks it is a design flaw to fix, fine. But it was never an 'exploit'.

And for what it's worth, I was too lazy to get my LB rank above 6

MithranArkanere · Dec 04, 2006, 01:42 PM // 13:42

I'm rank 4 above 6000 Lightbringer points.

I would not care about reseting it to 0, I would sacrifice my 'hard work' to punish the exploit users.

If they don't get punished, they'll keep the exploit using and not reporting bug behaviour forever.

isamu kurosawa · Dec 04, 2006, 01:48 PM // 13:48

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Originally Posted by Mr_T_bot

Hahahahahahaha

I havn't even gotten to the area and I know that's a load of crap. How new are you to the game? This kind of crap has been going on since before it was released because of what is now the "Hero" title.

well im only up to lightbringer rank 2 on my ele yet had no trouble getting a group in DoA, even finnished the city with a team of all < 3 LB.

and how do you know its crap without even visiting the place?

Ninna · Dec 04, 2006, 02:26 PM // 14:26

<- played GW since release (notice my join date)

yes some groups discriminate... but its never made a difference to *me*

the way some people talk here, you would think Titles and LBG are MUST HAVES

Wildi · Dec 04, 2006, 02:41 PM // 14:41

weird, I did not see any random groups searching for people with high lightbringer rank yet

Cyan The Archer · Dec 04, 2006, 03:01 PM // 15:01

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Originally Posted by MithranArkanere

I'm rank 4 above 6000 Lightbringer points.

I would not care about reseting it to 0, I would sacrifice my 'hard work' to punish the exploit users.

If they don't get punished, they'll keep the exploit using and not reporting bug behaviour forever.

How is it a bug? Everything in the afk farming was working as intended.

Heroes can fight themselves, and can be moved with a flag = Not an exploit
Killing a Torment creature with a blessing on gives 2 LB points = Not an exploit
Maintained Enchantments can last forever if you have enough energy = Not an exploit
The ability to stay afk in the game = Not an exploit

All that together made the afk farming possible.

Just because Anet nerfed the farming, doesnt mean it was an exploit. You can't even be sure if Gaile say it(She has been wrong before you know). A nerf does not mean it was/is an exploit.

4ssassin · Dec 04, 2006, 03:05 PM // 15:05

meh. file this under the "people that care about prestige" cat. i finished game 2x. my monk had r2 LB and my war r1. had little trouble with groups, and used heros/hench most of the time. if people would stop caring so much about titles and fancy armor and the like, and worry more about having fun, this would be a much better game, cause then Anet wouldnt have to keep nerfing the crap out of everything to weaken the farmers. face it...it farmers werent around, we very well could still have prenerfed protective bond, no nightmares in UW, easier AI...thats just off the top of my head. hm. maybe ill make a thread on this

Rera · Dec 04, 2006, 05:01 PM // 17:01

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Originally Posted by GranDeWun

I would say an 'exploit' involves code that does unexpected things, versus a design that does unexpected things

Quoted and emphasized. This is exactly correct.

All parts of the AFK farm worked as intended individually, as pointed out by Cyan. Most of those complaining about this exploit are primarily concerned about the fact that players did not have to sit in front of their machines in order for them to gain the title. But imagine the situation where the player set up the AFK run, but then sat at the computer the whole time. Is this situation any better?

Anet's response to AFK farming was somewhat curious. AFAIK, the AFK nerf was applied in three different updates, spread over a period of several weeks. The first nerf disabled the AFK farming of Tormented Lands in Turai's Procession. The second nerf prevented spawned Torment creatures from giving XP. The third nerf prevented spanwed Torment creatures from giving LB points.

Consider the oddities. AFK farming of Torment creatures was going on at the same time as AFK farming of Tormented Lands, yet one was nerfed without touching the other. AFK farming of Torment creatures for XP was nerfed, without touching LB point gain. Only at the very end, right before the opening of DoA, was LB AFK farming disabled. It's clear that Anet knew about the situation at least as early as the Tormented Lands nerf (I forgot when the first Gurus post about AFK farming popped up, but it was several days before the nerf went into effect), yet they chose to address it not only much later, but also in two seperate nerfs. This is odd behavior if they believed this was a serious exploit.